Issue 10579: Section: 8.7 (sbvr-ftf) Source: Business Semantics Ltd. (Mr. Donald R. Chapin, Donald.Chapin(at)BusinessSemantics.com) Nature: Clarification Severity: Significant Summary: ISSUE TITLE: 'Thing' Is Incorrectly Equated with ISO 1087 'Object' ISSUE DESCRIPTION: In ISO TC 37, and in ISO 1087 in particular, 'object' and 'concept' are mutually exclusive. ISO 1087 'object' is equivalent to SBVR 'res', (thing that is not a meaning). SUGGESTED RESOLUTION: 1. Move the adoption of ISO 1087 'object' from SBVR 'thing' to SBVR 'res'. 2. Make 'res' and 'meaning' a segmentation of 'thing'. 3. Change definition of 'thing' back to the original one supplied by BRG before the adoption of ISO 1087 'object'; i.e.: "whatsoever; literally anything: - that exists external to the mind ; - which can talked about regardless of: a. what it is b. how it is perceived" NOTE: This resolves Sridhar's concern that the definition of 'thing' began with 'anything'. Resolution: Issue 10579 deals with one point in the alignment of the SBVR Specification with the ISO TC 37 Terminology standards in preparation for making SBVR an ISO standard in TC 37 using the ISO Fast Track Process. As such, this Issue can be dealt with by the SBVR RTF without negative impact to the SBVR Available Specification. Revised Text: Actions taken: January 5, 2007: received issue Discussion: End of Annotations:===== m: webmaster@omg.org Date: 05 Jan 2007 12:09:57 -0500 To: Subject: Issue/Bug Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Donald Chapin Company: Business Semantics Ltd mailFrom: Donald.Chapin@btinternet.com Notification: No Specification: Semantics of Business Vocabulary and Business Rules (SBVR) Section: 8.7 FormalNumber: dtc\06-08-05 Version: 2nd Interim Specification RevisionDate: 10/6/2006 Page: 34 (printed) Nature: Clarification Severity: Significant HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Description ISSUE TITLE: 'Thing' Is Incorrectly Equated with ISO 1087 'Object' ISSUE DESCRIPTION: In ISO TC 37, and in ISO 1087 in particular, 'object' and 'concept' are mutually exclusive. ISO 1087 'object' is equivalent to SBVR 'res', (thing that is not a meaning). SUGGESTED RESOLUTION: 1. Move the adoption of ISO 1087 'object' from SBVR 'thing' to SBVR 'res'. 2. Make 'res' and 'meaning' a segmentation of 'thing'. 3. Change definition of 'thing' back to the original one supplied by BRG before the adoption of ISO 1087 'object'; i.e.: "whatsoever; literally anything: - that exists external to the mind ; - which can talked about regardless of: a. what it is b. how it is perceived" NOTE: This resolves Sridhar's concern that the definition of 'thing' began with 'anything'. DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Organization:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=TVk9NLrU2MMq5KnpM55DHKyjfPYJ77WugmcZPa/2/EeOfQy6I3ZzXkoZ54cW0jzsBFTc5ZYELwLaRXhTNTADKn+3ORAgO5gxd4IvMNwbJUY76zj/Ql9m2IQsrbe51jI1E0C8kHk+E6u8FzkeQpH60h0Y0APODACZ0XxdUNXIf04= ; X-YMail-OSG: TIHy3IoVM1lPQmcXvJ0.pjgXru8FYXfdctf6XJxjOkjTLp0d05HhYlLbGRh2doTefohJWtWxG8QoDqXJyYGG3jYmFGLkEMZBySRyIRb1izVprqoSG_omKDlu7S3ggtyVVn.Khe6jsweDRIbE5UbYjs41UwAM3JMMDHfuGOkJ.VRXcbmbsAMXZ7YL.w-- Reply-To: From: "Donald Chapin" To: "'Juergen Boldt'" , , Subject: RE: issue 10579 -- SBVR FTF issue -- Proposed Disposition Document - Deferred Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:12:09 -0000 Organization: Business Semantics Ltd X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccxAWCs+6d87yyuQ+e0TPXy/Aw+xAZt+ltw -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juergen Boldt [mailto:juergen@omg.org] Sent: 05 January 2007 19:40 To: issues@omg.org; sbvr-ftf@omg.org Subject: issue 10579 -- SBVR FTF issue From: webmaster@omg.org Date: 05 Jan 2007 12:09:57 -0500 To: Subject: Issue/Bug Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Donald Chapin Company: Business Semantics Ltd mailFrom: Donald.Chapin@btinternet.com Notification: No Specification: Semantics of Business Vocabulary and Business Rules (SBVR) Section: 8.7 FormalNumber: dtc\06-08-05 Version: 2nd Interim Specification RevisionDate: 10/6/2006 Page: 34 (printed) Nature: Clarification Severity: Significant HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Description ISSUE TITLE: 'Thing' Is Incorrectly Equated with ISO 1087 'Object' ISSUE DESCRIPTION: In ISO TC 37, and in ISO 1087 in particular, 'object' and 'concept' are mutually exclusive. ISO 1087 'object' is equivalent to SBVR 'res', (thing that is not a meaning). SUGGESTED RESOLUTION: 1. Move the adoption of ISO 1087 'object' from SBVR 'thing' to SBVR 'res'. 2. Make 'res' and 'meaning' a segmentation of 'thing'. 3. Change definition of 'thing' back to the original one supplied by BRG before the adoption of ISO 1087 'object'; i.e.: "whatsoever; literally anything: - that exists external to the mind ; - which can talked about regardless of: a. what it is b. how it is perceived" NOTE: This resolves Sridhar's concern that the definition of 'thing' began with 'anything'. Juergen Boldt Director, Member Services Object Management Group 140 Kendrick St Building A Suite 300 Needham, MA 02494 USA tel: +1 781 444 0404 x 132 fax: +1 781 444 0320 email: juergen@omg.org www.omg.org Issue10579.doc DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Organization:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=TVk9NLrU2MMq5KnpM55DHKyjfPYJ77WugmcZPa/2/EeOfQy6I3ZzXkoZ54cW0jzsBFTc5ZYELwLaRXhTNTADKn+3ORAgO5gxd4IvMNwbJUY76zj/Ql9m2IQsrbe51jI1E0C8kHk+E6u8FzkeQpH60h0Y0APODACZ0XxdUNXIf04= ; X-YMail-OSG: TIHy3IoVM1lPQmcXvJ0.pjgXru8FYXfdctf6XJxjOkjTLp0d05HhYlLbGRh2doTefohJWtWxG8QoDqXJyYGG3jYmFGLkEMZBySRyIRb1izVprqoSG_omKDlu7S3ggtyVVn.Khe6jsweDRIbE5UbYjs41UwAM3JMMDHfuGOkJ.VRXcbmbsAMXZ7YL.w-- Reply-To: From: "Donald Chapin" To: "'Juergen Boldt'" , , Subject: RE: issue 10579 -- SBVR FTF issue -- Proposed Disposition Document - Deferred Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:12:09 -0000 Organization: Business Semantics Ltd X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccxAWCs+6d87yyuQ+e0TPXy/Aw+xAZt+ltw -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juergen Boldt [mailto:juergen@omg.org] Sent: 05 January 2007 19:40 To: issues@omg.org; sbvr-ftf@omg.org Subject: issue 10579 -- SBVR FTF issue From: webmaster@omg.org Date: 05 Jan 2007 12:09:57 -0500 To: Subject: Issue/Bug Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Donald Chapin Company: Business Semantics Ltd mailFrom: Donald.Chapin@btinternet.com Notification: No Specification: Semantics of Business Vocabulary and Business Rules (SBVR) Section: 8.7 FormalNumber: dtc\06-08-05 Version: 2nd Interim Specification RevisionDate: 10/6/2006 Page: 34 (printed) Nature: Clarification Severity: Significant HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Description ISSUE TITLE: 'Thing' Is Incorrectly Equated with ISO 1087 'Object' ISSUE DESCRIPTION: In ISO TC 37, and in ISO 1087 in particular, 'object' and 'concept' are mutually exclusive. ISO 1087 'object' is equivalent to SBVR 'res', (thing that is not a meaning). SUGGESTED RESOLUTION: 1. Move the adoption of ISO 1087 'object' from SBVR 'thing' to SBVR 'res'. 2. Make 'res' and 'meaning' a segmentation of 'thing'. 3. Change definition of 'thing' back to the original one supplied by BRG before the adoption of ISO 1087 'object'; i.e.: "whatsoever; literally anything: - that exists external to the mind ; - which can talked about regardless of: a. what it is b. how it is perceived" NOTE: This resolves Sridhar's concern that the definition of 'thing' began with 'anything'. Juergen Boldt Director, Member Services Object Management Group 140 Kendrick St Building A Suite 300 Needham, MA 02494 USA tel: +1 781 444 0404 x 132 fax: +1 781 444 0320 email: juergen@omg.org www.omg.org Issue105791.doc DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Organization:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=TVk9NLrU2MMq5KnpM55DHKyjfPYJ77WugmcZPa/2/EeOfQy6I3ZzXkoZ54cW0jzsBFTc5ZYELwLaRXhTNTADKn+3ORAgO5gxd4IvMNwbJUY76zj/Ql9m2IQsrbe51jI1E0C8kHk+E6u8FzkeQpH60h0Y0APODACZ0XxdUNXIf04= ; X-YMail-OSG: TIHy3IoVM1lPQmcXvJ0.pjgXru8FYXfdctf6XJxjOkjTLp0d05HhYlLbGRh2doTefohJWtWxG8QoDqXJyYGG3jYmFGLkEMZBySRyIRb1izVprqoSG_omKDlu7S3ggtyVVn.Khe6jsweDRIbE5UbYjs41UwAM3JMMDHfuGOkJ.VRXcbmbsAMXZ7YL.w-- Reply-To: From: "Donald Chapin" To: "'Juergen Boldt'" , , Subject: RE: issue 10579 -- SBVR FTF issue -- Proposed Disposition Document - Deferred Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:12:09 -0000 Organization: Business Semantics Ltd X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccxAWCs+6d87yyuQ+e0TPXy/Aw+xAZt+ltw -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juergen Boldt [mailto:juergen@omg.org] Sent: 05 January 2007 19:40 To: issues@omg.org; sbvr-ftf@omg.org Subject: issue 10579 -- SBVR FTF issue From: webmaster@omg.org Date: 05 Jan 2007 12:09:57 -0500 To: Subject: Issue/Bug Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Donald Chapin Company: Business Semantics Ltd mailFrom: Donald.Chapin@btinternet.com Notification: No Specification: Semantics of Business Vocabulary and Business Rules (SBVR) Section: 8.7 FormalNumber: dtc\06-08-05 Version: 2nd Interim Specification RevisionDate: 10/6/2006 Page: 34 (printed) Nature: Clarification Severity: Significant HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Description ISSUE TITLE: 'Thing' Is Incorrectly Equated with ISO 1087 'Object' ISSUE DESCRIPTION: In ISO TC 37, and in ISO 1087 in particular, 'object' and 'concept' are mutually exclusive. ISO 1087 'object' is equivalent to SBVR 'res', (thing that is not a meaning). SUGGESTED RESOLUTION: 1. Move the adoption of ISO 1087 'object' from SBVR 'thing' to SBVR 'res'. 2. Make 'res' and 'meaning' a segmentation of 'thing'. 3. Change definition of 'thing' back to the original one supplied by BRG before the adoption of ISO 1087 'object'; i.e.: "whatsoever; literally anything: - that exists external to the mind ; - which can talked about regardless of: a. what it is b. how it is perceived" NOTE: This resolves Sridhar's concern that the definition of 'thing' began with 'anything'. Juergen Boldt Director, Member Services Object Management Group 140 Kendrick St Building A Suite 300 Needham, MA 02494 USA tel: +1 781 444 0404 x 132 fax: +1 781 444 0320 email: juergen@omg.org www.omg.org