Issue 12210: specification lacks an overview (spem2-ftf) Source: Cordys (Mr. Fred A. Cummins, fred.a.cummins(at)gmail.com) Nature: Enhancement Severity: Significant Summary: The specification lacks an overview that provides an undestanding of how the problem domain is being addressed. This is important for non-implementers, particularly potential customers of implementations, to understand why they should care if a product implements SPEM Resolution: Revised Text: Actions taken: February 4, 2008: received issue Discussion: End of Annotations:===== m: webmaster@omg.org Date: 04 Feb 2008 14:24:26 -0500 To: Subject: Issue/Bug Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Fred Cummins Company: EDS mailFrom: fred.cummins@eds.com Notification: No Specification: SPEM v2.0 Beta 2 Section: None FormalNumber: ptc/07-11-01 Version: v2.0 Beta 2 RevisionDate: October 2007 Page: None Nature: Enhancement Severity: Significant HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Description The specification lacks an overview that provides an undestanding of how the problem domain is being addressed. This is important for non-implementers, particularly potential customers of implementations, to understand why they should care if a product implements SPEM. To: Juergen Boldt , fred.cummins@eds.com Cc: issues@omg.org, spem2-ftf@omg.org Subject: Re: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0 August 02, 2007 From: Peter Haumer Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:48:01 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM126/03/M/IBM(Release 7.0.2FP2HF300 | September 14, 2007) at 02/04/2008 13:48:00, Serialize complete at 02/04/2008 13:48:00 Hello Fred. Section 6.2 is aiming to provide this overview. Please, provide more details for what kind of information you are missing or examples from other specifications. Thanks and best regards, Peter Haumer. ______________________________________________________________ PETER HAUMER, Dr. rer. nat. Rational Method Composer | Eclipse Process Framework Rational Software | IBM Software Group Tel.: +1 (408) 463-5096 ______________________________________________________________ From: Juergen Boldt To: issues@omg.org, spem2-ftf@omg.org Date: 02/04/2008 12:19 Subject: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: webmaster@omg.org Date: 04 Feb 2008 14:24:26 -0500 To: Subject: Issue/Bug Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Fred Cummins Company: EDS mailFrom: fred.cummins@eds.com Notification: No Specification: SPEM v2.0 Beta 2 Section: None FormalNumber: ptc/07-11-01 Version: v2.0 Beta 2 RevisionDate: October 2007 Page: None Nature: Enhancement Severity: Significant HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Description The specification lacks an overview that provides an undestanding of how the problem domain is being addressed. This is important for non-implementers, particularly potential customers of implementations, to understand why they should care if a product implements SPEM. Juergen Boldt Director, Member Services Object Management Group 140 Kendrick St Building A Suite 300 Needham, MA 02494 USA tel: +1 781 444 0404 x 132 fax: +1 781 444 0320 email: juergen@omg.org www.omg.org X-EDS-Source-Ip: 130.175.198.25 X-EDS-Source-Name: [130.175.198.25] X-EDS-Reported-Name: usahm015.amer.corp.eds.com Subject: RE: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:07:21 -0600 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) Thread-Index: Achnb2g5CSWjNVuZTfK8qgVJ/ZcypAAAGkSQ From: "Cummins, Fred A" To: "Peter Haumer" , "Juergen Boldt" Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2008 21:08:01.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[065C3CE0:01C86772] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Peter, Section 6.2 might do it, but I had no way of knowing it was there without going through the docuement. "Additional Information" following Terms and Symbols is not where I would expect to find an overview of its application. Thanks for pointing it out. I suggest making 6.2 a major section, and you might consider putting at the beginning of the table of contents. Sections 1 through 6.1 should be sub-sections of an introduction. It's also not clear from the scope or general introduction if SPEM is intended for development of computer applications or something more general. There are other kinds of "systems," and "development process" could be for developing an automobile or an atomic reactor. Fred -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Haumer [mailto:phaumer@us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:48 PM To: Juergen Boldt; Cummins, Fred A Cc: issues@omg.org; spem2-ftf@omg.org Subject: Re: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) Hello Fred. Section 6.2 is aiming to provide this overview. Please, provide more details for what kind of information you are missing or examples from other specifications. Thanks and best regards, Peter Haumer. ______________________________________________________________ PETER HAUMER, Dr. rer. nat. Rational Method Composer | Eclipse Process Framework Rational Software | IBM Software Group Tel.: +1 (408) 463-5096 ______________________________________________________________ From: Juergen Boldt To: issues@omg.org, spem2-ftf@omg.org Date: 02/04/2008 12:19 Subject: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: webmaster@omg.org Date: 04 Feb 2008 14:24:26 -0500 To: Subject: Issue/Bug Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Fred Cummins Company: EDS mailFrom: fred.cummins@eds.com Notification: No Specification: SPEM v2.0 Beta 2 Section: None FormalNumber: ptc/07-11-01 Version: v2.0 Beta 2 RevisionDate: October 2007 Page: None Nature: Enhancement Severity: Significant HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Description The specification lacks an overview that provides an undestanding of how the problem domain is being addressed. This is important for non-implementers, particularly potential customers of implementations, to understand why they should care if a product implements SPEM. Juergen Boldt Director, Member Services Object Management Group 140 Kendrick St Building A Suite 300 Needham, MA 02494 USA tel: +1 781 444 0404 x 132 fax: +1 781 444 0320 email: juergen@omg.org www.omg.org To: "Cummins, Fred A" Cc: issues@omg.org, "Juergen Boldt" , spem2-ftf@omg.org Subject: RE: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0 August 02, 2007 From: Peter Haumer Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:52:24 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM126/03/M/IBM(Release 7.0.2FP2HF300 | September 14, 2007) at 02/05/2008 18:52:23, Serialize complete at 02/05/2008 18:52:23 Thanks Fred. I agree that it would be useful if this information should be more in the front. I assumed that I had to stick to the template and thats why I moved the text there (the submission had this in the front). Can changes like that be made to the Beta 2 document after the FTF has finished its work? Thanks and best regards, Peter Haumer. ______________________________________________________________ PETER HAUMER, Dr. rer. nat. Rational Method Composer | Eclipse Process Framework Rational Software | IBM Software Group Tel.: +1 (408) 463-5096 ______________________________________________________________ From: "Cummins, Fred A" To: Peter Haumer/Cupertino/IBM@IBMUS, "Juergen Boldt" Cc: , Date: 02/04/2008 13:11 Subject: RE: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter, Section 6.2 might do it, but I had no way of knowing it was there without going through the docuement. "Additional Information" following Terms and Symbols is not where I would expect to find an overview of its application. Thanks for pointing it out. I suggest making 6.2 a major section, and you might consider putting at the beginning of the table of contents. Sections 1 through 6.1 should be sub-sections of an introduction. It's also not clear from the scope or general introduction if SPEM is intended for development of computer applications or something more general. There are other kinds of "systems," and "development process" could be for developing an automobile or an atomic reactor. Fred -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Haumer [mailto:phaumer@us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:48 PM To: Juergen Boldt; Cummins, Fred A Cc: issues@omg.org; spem2-ftf@omg.org Subject: Re: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) Hello Fred. Section 6.2 is aiming to provide this overview. Please, provide more details for what kind of information you are missing or examples from other specifications. Thanks and best regards, Peter Haumer. ______________________________________________________________ PETER HAUMER, Dr. rer. nat. Rational Method Composer | Eclipse Process Framework Rational Software | IBM Software Group Tel.: +1 (408) 463-5096 ______________________________________________________________ From: Juergen Boldt To: issues@omg.org, spem2-ftf@omg.org Date: 02/04/2008 12:19 Subject: issue 12210 -- SPEM 2 xTF issue (no RTF or FTF chartered at this time) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: webmaster@omg.org Date: 04 Feb 2008 14:24:26 -0500 To: Subject: Issue/Bug Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Fred Cummins Company: EDS mailFrom: fred.cummins@eds.com Notification: No Specification: SPEM v2.0 Beta 2 Section: None FormalNumber: ptc/07-11-01 Version: v2.0 Beta 2 RevisionDate: October 2007 Page: None Nature: Enhancement Severity: Significant HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Description The specification lacks an overview that provides an undestanding of how the problem domain is being addressed. This is important for non-implementers, particularly potential customers of implementations, to understand why they should care if a product implements SPEM. Juergen Boldt Director, Member Services Object Management Group 140 Kendrick St Building A Suite 300 Needham, MA 02494 USA tel: +1 781 444 0404 x 132 fax: +1 781 444 0320 email: juergen@omg.org www.omg.org