Issue 12411: Example in Figure 10.21 makes use of directed arrows (marte-rtf) Source: THALES (Mr. Sebastien Demathieu, sebastien.demathieu(at)thalesgroup.com) Nature: Revision Severity: Minor Summary: The example in Figure 10.21 makes use of directed arrows to represent connectors in a composite structure. Moreover, it seems that the element inside the composite structure look more like classes than parts. Resolution: The example is not a composite structure; the caption text of the figure may have mislead the reader. It shows just a class diagram with dependencies among them. Resolution: Closed the issue with no change to the specification Revised Text: Actions taken: April 24, 2008: received issue January 14, 2011: closed issue Discussion: Deferred to RTF due to lack of time. Disposition: Deferred End of Annotations:===== From: webmaster@omg.org Date: 24 Apr 2008 08:07:38 -0400 To: Subject: Issue/Bug Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Sébastien Demathieu Company: Thales mailFrom: sebastien.demathieu@thalesgroup.com Notification: Yes Specification: UML profile for MARTE Section: 10.4 FormalNumber: 07-08-04 Version: Beta 1 RevisionDate: August 2007 Page: 115 Nature: Revision Severity: Minor HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14 Description The example in Figure 10.21 makes use of directed arrows to represent connectors in a composite structure. Moreover, it seems that the element inside the composite structure look more like classes than parts. Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:43:17 -0400 From: "Chonoles, Michael J" Subject: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 To: GERARD Sebastien 166342 , "marte-rtf@omg.org" Thread-Topic: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Thread-Index: Acr8DzFGhiB+VCqbR2y6U/G7O41oSgCdSC1A Accept-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Looking at the resolution 12411 (no-change), the discussion says: Discussion: The example is not a composite structure; the caption text of the figure may have mislead the reader. It shows just a class diagram with dependencies among them. It seems to me, that if we can find a part of the spec to blame for the confusion, then that part of spec should be changed. In this case, the change should be simple and non-controversial. But as currently stated, LMCO would not vote for ignoring a confusing caption. Michael Jesse Chonoles Lockheed Martin From: GERARD Sebastien 166342 [mailto:Sebastien.GERARD@cea.fr] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:36 AM To: marte-rtf@omg.org Subject: MARTE 1.1 RTF: start of ballot 2 voting period Hi all, Following this link you will find a bundle of the resolutions gathered in the ballot 2 for MARTE 1.1 RTF: http://www.omgwiki.org/marte1.1-rtf/doku.php?id=marte_1.0_rtf_ballot_2#voting_material_for_ballot_2 The timing for the MARTE 1.1 RTF ballot 2 voting period is: From Mai 25 to June 5 (12 pm CET), 2010. For memory, following companies did not vote on ballot1: 88solutions (Manfred Koethe), BAE SYSTEMS (Stu Lewin), EADS (Yves Bernard), International Business Machines (Irv Badr - co-chair), No Magic, Inc. (Andrius Strazdauskas) and Universidad de Cantabria (Julio Mdeina). èf these companies miss the next vote, according to the rules, they will lost their voting right from the RTF!!! Thanks for your incoming votes, Best. Séstien. Dr. Séstien Gérd Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire d.Ingéerie dirigépar les modès pour les Systès Embarqué(LISE) Boî courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus Before printing, think about the environment Subject: RE: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 19:15:59 +0200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Thread-Index: Acr8DzFGhiB+VCqbR2y6U/G7O41oSgCdSC1AADOClxA= From: "GERARD Sebastien 166342" To: "Chonoles, Michael J" , Cc: Séstien Demathieu X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2010 17:15:59.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BA89BC0:01CAFF52] Hi Michael, about that issue looking gain at the figure 10.21, I can not see any ambiguous problem even in the caption of the figure. Did you see that figure as ambiguous? Séstien (Demathieu) can you tell us why you thought that figure 10.21 was showing a Composite structure? Best. Séstien. Dr. Séstien Gérd Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire d.Ingéerie dirigépar les modès pour les Systès Embarqué(LISE) Boî courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus Before printing, think about the environment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- De : Chonoles, Michael J [mailto:michael.j.chonoles@lmco.com] Envoyé vendredi 28 mai 2010 18:43 À: GERARD Sebastien 166342; marte-rtf@omg.org Objet : MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Looking at the resolution 12411 (no-change), the discussion says: Discussion: The example is not a composite structure; the caption text of the figure may have mislead the reader. It shows just a class diagram with dependencies among them. It seems to me, that if we can find a part of the spec to blame for the confusion, then that part of spec should be changed. In this case, the change should be simple and non-controversial. But as currently stated, LMCO would not vote for ignoring a confusing caption. Michael Jesse Chonoles Lockheed Martin From: GERARD Sebastien 166342 [mailto:Sebastien.GERARD@cea.fr] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:36 AM To: marte-rtf@omg.org Subject: MARTE 1.1 RTF: start of ballot 2 voting period Hi all, Following this link you will find a bundle of the resolutions gathered in the ballot 2 for MARTE 1.1 RTF: http://www.omgwiki.org/marte1.1-rtf/doku.php?id=marte_1.0_rtf_ballot_2#voting_material_for_ballot_2 The timing for the MARTE 1.1 RTF ballot 2 voting period is: From Mai 25 to June 5 (12 pm CET), 2010. For memory, following companies did not vote on ballot1: 88solutions (Manfred Koethe), BAE SYSTEMS (Stu Lewin), EADS (Yves Bernard), International Business Machines (Irv Badr - co-chair), No Magic, Inc. (Andrius Strazdauskas) and Universidad de Cantabria (Julio Mdeina). èf these companies miss the next vote, according to the rules, they will lost their voting right from the RTF!!! Thanks for your incoming votes, Best. Séstien. Dr. Séstien Gérd Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire d.Ingéerie dirigépar les modès pour les Systès Embarqué(LISE) Boî courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus Before printing, think about the environment Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:52:05 +0200 From: Séstien Demathieu Organization: Thales Research & Technology User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: GERARD Sebastien 166342 CC: "Chonoles, Michael J" , marte-rtf@omg.org Subject: Re: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Séstien, The Issue 12411 was raised against the document 07-08-04 (MARTE Beta 1) in which Figure 10.21 was showing a composite structure, including parts without the relevant notation. It looks like this issue has been fixed since 08-05-24 (MARTE Beta 2) turning the composite structure diagram into a class diagram. Are you sure the issue is still open? Thanks, Séstien GERARD Sebastien 166342 a éit : Hi Michael, about that issue looking gain at the figure 10.21, I can not see any ambiguous problem even in the caption of the figure. Did you see that figure as ambiguous? Séstien (Demathieu) can you tell us why you thought that figure 10.21 was showing a Composite structure? Best. Séstien. Dr. Séstien Gérd Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire d.Ingéerie dirigépar les modès pour les Systès Embarqué(LISE) Boî courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus Before printing, think about the environment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- De : Chonoles, Michael J [mailto:michael.j.chonoles@lmco.com] Envoyé vendredi 28 mai 2010 18:43 À: GERARD Sebastien 166342; marte-rtf@omg.org Objet : MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Looking at the resolution 12411 (no-change), the discussion says: Discussion: The example is not a composite structure; the caption text of the figure may have mislead the reader. It shows just a class diagram with dependencies among them. It seems to me, that if we can find a part of the spec to blame for the confusion, then that part of spec should be changed. In this case, the change should be simple and non-controversial. But as currently stated, LMCO would not vote for ignoring a confusing caption. Michael Jesse Chonoles Lockheed Martin From: GERARD Sebastien 166342 [mailto:Sebastien.GERARD@cea.fr] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:36 AM To: marte-rtf@omg.org Subject: MARTE 1.1 RTF: start of ballot 2 voting period Hi all, Following this link you will find a bundle of the resolutions gathered in the ballot 2 for MARTE 1.1 RTF: http://www.omgwiki.org/marte1.1-rtf/doku.php?id=marte_1.0_rtf_ballot_2#voting_material_for_ballot_2 The timing for the MARTE 1.1 RTF ballot 2 voting period is: From Mai 25 to June 5 (12 pm CET), 2010. For memory, following companies did not vote on ballot1: 88solutions (Manfred Koethe), BAE SYSTEMS (Stu Lewin), EADS (Yves Bernard), International Business Machines (Irv Badr - co-chair), No Magic, Inc. (Andrius Strazdauskas) and Universidad de Cantabria (Julio Mdeina). èf these companies miss the next vote, according to the rules, they will lost their voting right from the RTF!!! Thanks for your incoming votes, Best. Séstien. Dr. Séstien Gérd Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire d.Ingéerie dirigépar les modès pour les Systès Embarqué(LISE) Boî courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus Before printing, think about the environment sebastien_demathieu.vcf Subject: RE: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:08:33 +0200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Thread-Index: AcsAyHVREAh4EQYFRICWFwQNozlnUwANErHQ From: "GERARD Sebastien 166342" To: Séstien Demathieu Cc: "Chonoles, Michael J" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2010 20:08:33.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BF543A0:01CB00FD] Hi all, I checked on the MARTE FTF2 report, the issue was deferred. But maybe it was soved indirectly via another issue. However, the fact is that there is indeed no problem even if the text of the resolution is may be confusing (sorry may be because we are not native English spoker). However, if everyone is agree, I think we can keep it in the ballot as it is. Best. Séstien G. Dr. Séstien Gérd Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire d.Ingéerie dirigépar les modès pour les Systès Embarqué(LISE) Boî courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus Before printing, think about the environment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- De : Séstien Demathieu [mailto:sebastien.demathieu@thalesgroup.com] Envoyé lundi 31 mai 2010 15:52 À: GERARD Sebastien 166342 Cc : Chonoles, Michael J; marte-rtf@omg.org Objet : Re: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Séstien, The Issue 12411 was raised against the document 07-08-04 (MARTE Beta 1) in which Figure 10.21 was showing a composite structure, including parts without the relevant notation. It looks like this issue has been fixed since 08-05-24 (MARTE Beta 2) turning the composite structure diagram into a class diagram. Are you sure the issue is still open? Thanks, Séstien GERARD Sebastien 166342 a éit : Hi Michael, about that issue looking gain at the figure 10.21, I can not see any ambiguous problem even in the caption of the figure. Did you see that figure as ambiguous? Séstien (Demathieu) can you tell us why you thought that figure 10.21 was showing a Composite structure? Best. Séstien. Dr. Séstien Gérd Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire d.Ingéerie dirigépar les modès pour les Systès Embarqué(LISE) Boî courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus Before printing, think about the environment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- De : Chonoles, Michael J [mailto:michael.j.chonoles@lmco.com] Envoyé vendredi 28 mai 2010 18:43 À: GERARD Sebastien 166342; marte-rtf@omg.org Objet : MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 Looking at the resolution 12411 (no-change), the discussion says: Discussion: The example is not a composite structure; the caption text of the figure may have mislead the reader. It shows just a class diagram with dependencies among them. It seems to me, that if we can find a part of the spec to blame for the confusion, then that part of spec should be changed. In this case, the change should be simple and non-controversial. But as currently stated, LMCO would not vote for ignoring a confusing caption. Michael Jesse Chonoles Lockheed Martin From: GERARD Sebastien 166342 [mailto:Sebastien.GERARD@cea.fr] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:36 AM To: marte-rtf@omg.org Subject: MARTE 1.1 RTF: start of ballot 2 voting period Hi all, Following this link you will find a bundle of the resolutions gathered in the ballot 2 for MARTE 1.1 RTF: http://www.omgwiki.org/marte1.1-rtf/doku.php?id=marte_1.0_rtf_ballot_2#voting_material_for_ballot_2 The timing for the MARTE 1.1 RTF ballot 2 voting period is: From Mai 25 to June 5 (12 pm CET), 2010. For memory, following companies did not vote on ballot1: 88solutions (Manfred Koethe), BAE SYSTEMS (Stu Lewin), EADS (Yves Bernard), International Business Machines (Irv Badr - co-chair), No Magic, Inc. (Andrius Strazdauskas) and Universidad de Cantabria (Julio Mdeina). èf these companies miss the next vote, according to the rules, they will lost their voting right from the RTF!!! Thanks for your incoming votes, Best. Séstien. Dr. Séstien Gérd Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire d.Ingéerie dirigépar les modès pour les Systès Embarqué(LISE) Boî courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus Before printing, think about the environment Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:45:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Murray Woodside Reply-To: cmw@sce.carleton.ca To: GERARD Sebastien 166342 cc: Séstien Demathieu , "Chonoles, Michael J" , marte-rtf@omg.org Subject: RE: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411 User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) The text is clear enough for me. Murray Woodside Distinguished Research Professor Dept of Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University, 1125 Colonel By Drive, Ottawa K1S 5B6, Canada. (613)-520-5721.....fax (613)-520-5727....cmw@sce.carleton.ca (http://www.sce.carleton.ca/faculty/woodside.html) On Mon, 31 May 2010, GERARD Sebastien 166342 wrote: Hi all,  I checked on the MARTE FTF2 report, the issue was deferred. But maybe it was soved indirectly via another issue. However, the fact is that there is indeed no problem even if the text of the resolution is may be confusing (sorry may be because we are not native English spoker). However, if everyone is agree, I think we can keep it in the ballot as it is.  Best. Sébastien G. >   Dr. Sébastien Gérard Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire dâIngénierie dirigée par les modèles pour les Systèmes Embarqués (LISE) Boîte courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus  Before printing, think about the environment ____________________________________________________________________________________ DeÂ: Sébastien Demathieu [mailto:sebastien.demathieu@thalesgroup.com] EnvoyéÂ: lundi 31 mai 2010 15:52 ÃÂ: GERARD Sebastien 166342 CcÂ: Chonoles, Michael J; marte-rtf@omg.org ObjetÂ: Re: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411  Sébastien, The Issue 12411 was raised against the document 07-08-04 (MARTE Beta 1) in which Figure 10.21 was showing a composite structure, including parts without the relevant notation. It looks like this issue has been fixed since 08-05-24 (MARTE Beta 2) turning the composite structure diagram into a class diagram. Are you sure the issue is still open? Thanks, Sébastien GERARD Sebastien 166342 a écritÂ: Hi Michael, about that issue looking gain at the figure 10.21, I can not see any ambiguous problem even in the caption of the figure. Did you see that figure as ambiguous?  Sébastien (Demathieu) can you tell us why you thought that figure 10.21 was showing a Composite structure?  Best. Sébastien. >   Dr. Sébastien Gérard Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire dâIngénierie dirigée par les modèles pour les Systèmes Embarqués (LISE) Boîte courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus  Before printing, think about the environment ____________________________________________________________________________________ DeÂ: Chonoles, Michael J [mailto:michael.j.chonoles@lmco.com] EnvoyéÂ: vendredi 28 mai 2010 18:43 ÃÂ: GERARD Sebastien 166342; marte-rtf@omg.org ObjetÂ: MARTE Ballot 2: Problem with resolution of Issue 12411  Looking at the resolution 12411 (no-change), the discussion says:  Discussion: The example is not a composite structure; the caption text of the figure may have mislead the reader. It shows just a class diagram with dependencies among them.  It seems to me, that if we can find a part of the spec to blame for the confusion, then that part of spec should be changed. In this case, the change should be simple and non-controversial.  But as currently stated, LMCO would not vote for ignoring a confusing caption.  Michael Jesse Chonoles Lockheed Martin  From: GERARD Sebastien 166342 [mailto:Sebastien.GERARD@cea.fr] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:36 AM To: marte-rtf@omg.org Subject: MARTE 1.1 RTF: start of ballot 2 voting period  Hi all,  Following this link you will find a bundle of the resolutions gathered in the ballot 2 for MARTE 1.1 RTF:http://www.omgwiki.org/marte1.1-rtf/doku.php?id=marte_1.0_rtf_ballot_2#voting_mater ial_for_ballot_2  The timing for the MARTE 1.1 RTF ballot 2 voting period is: From Mai 25 to June 5 (12 pm CET), 2010.  For memory, following companies did not vote on ballot1: 88solutions (Manfred Koethe), BAE SYSTEMS (Stu Lewin), EADS (Yves Bernard), International Business Machines (Irv Badr - co-chair), No Magic, Inc. (Andrius Strazdauskas) and Universidad de Cantabria (Julio Mdeina). è If these companies miss the next vote, according to the rules, they will lost their voting right from the RTF!!!  Thanks for your incoming votes, Best. Sébastien. >   Dr. Sébastien Gérard Head of MDD for DRES research project CEA LIST, Laboratoire dâIngénierie dirigée par les modèles pour les Systèmes Embarqués (LISE) Boîte courrier 94, GIF SUR YVETTE CEDEX, F-91191 France Phone/fax : +33 1 69 08 58 24 / 83 95 Leader of the Eclipse Component Papyrus (The UML2 Graphical Modeler): www.papyrusuml.org http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus  Before printing, think about the environment Â