Issue 18495: Transition redefinition (uml25-ftf) Source: Fraunhofer FOKUS (Mr. Marc-Florian Wendland, marc-florian.wendland(at)fokus.fraunhofer.de) Nature: Uncategorized Issue Severity: Summary: A question: For transitions, the spec says: “… while the source State and trigger are preserved” Maybe related to not being a native speaker, but for me “preserved” means that at least the triggers defined for the extended transition must remain in the redefining transition, whereas new triggers can be added. Or does “preserve” mean in this context really to seal the triggers, i.e., I cannot add a new one?! Resolution: Revised Text: Actions taken: February 21, 2013: received issue Discussion: End of Annotations:===== m: "Wendland, Marc-Florian" To: "uml25-ftf@omg.org" Subject: Transition redefinition Thread-Topic: Transition redefinition Thread-Index: Ac4QLR2Q9omsRLOOTDySCz/0cPdKUg== Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:18:37 +0000 Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.147.67.38] x-kse-antivirus-interceptor-info: scan successful x-kse-antivirus-info: Clean X-cloud-security-sender: marc-florian.wendland@fokus.fraunhofer.de X-cloud-security-recipient: uml25-ftf@omg.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mx-gate12-muc with A2BC312B400A X-cloud-security: scantime:.2486 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at omg.org Hi all, A question: For transitions, the spec says: .. while the source State and trigger are preserved. Maybe related to not being a native speaker, but for me .preserved. means that at least the triggers defined for the extended transition must remain in the redefining transition, whereas new triggers can be added. Or does .preserve. mean in this context really to seal the triggers, i.e., I cannot add a new one?! Regards, Marc-Florian Von: Steve Cook [mailto:Steve.Cook@microsoft.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2013 13:00 An: Wendland, Marc-Florian; uml25-ftf@omg.org Betreff: RE: State and Transition redefinition statements? How about section 14.3? From: Wendland, Marc-Florian [mailto:marc-florian.wendland@fokus.fraunhofer.de] Sent: 21 February 2013 11:48 To: uml25-ftf@omg.org Subject: State and Transition redefinition statements? Hi all, I was searching the statements concerning redefinition of States and Transitions in the spec, but was not able to find them. In 2.4.1 both section had a subsubsection stating .State redefinitions., respectively .Transition redefinition.. Where are these paragraphs gone in 2.5? Regards, Marc-Florian DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=PYszUSkrDWxdBPGIEKzeDL/VfuYZ5JiKCq+qrH/NbwI=; b=QzltXfKgLRtoBZclL03tz9O/h5id0LnG4HJ5USInjRPo/FmI4Xrn3fRdaLjyaYRetm XKKJQjVv9V+WrO96J8+f/aFwAf5cnuPgsncEnAbcvy0/IAHegfMoswuVz+HM8whA0oWa UmtMiQVv8IauQ9N0lN+P+joZF/yfPqO3gX9yCsOhN3uZURw/TOGvvwyKIOCWq3+ZGCU8 3glzg398PhpJArZwfW5Q/RpjJ3lFhiP0oV3pDdSLp2mFhbYmPi8OPieowliCQSJHr0d1 fl29GNqj0Lx7ZPA5t1aqBpxKfgCA8ekt/bTdye4Ofs9/h8JdN4ZAwAhNtEb0OkJq4C1C JNhw== X-Received: by 10.60.3.103 with SMTP id b7mr10947714oeb.86.1361461636975; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:47:16 -0800 (PST) Sender: bran.selic@gmail.com From: Bran Selic Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:46:36 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hnpDeEiPpAWq0266fZjNplxEPe0 Subject: Re: Transition redefinition To: "Wendland, Marc-Florian" Cc: "uml25-ftf@omg.org" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at omg.org X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Your assumed interpretation is the correct one, Marc-Florian (i.e., you can add new ones). I guess this calls for some clarification. Will you raise an issue? Thanks...Bran On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Wendland, Marc-Florian wrote: Hi all, A question: For transitions, the spec says: .. while the source State and trigger are preserved. Maybe related to not being a native speaker, but for me .preserved. means that at least the triggers defined for the extended transition must remain in the redefining transition, whereas new triggers can be added. Or does .preserve. mean in this context really to seal the triggers, i.e., I cannot add a new one?! Regards, Marc-Florian Von: Steve Cook [mailto:Steve.Cook@microsoft.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2013 13:00 An: Wendland, Marc-Florian; uml25-ftf@omg.org Betreff: RE: State and Transition redefinition statements? How about section 14.3? From: Wendland, Marc-Florian [mailto:marc-florian.wendland@fokus.fraunhofer.de] Sent: 21 February 2013 11:48 To: uml25-ftf@omg.org Subject: State and Transition redefinition statements? Hi all, I was searching the statements concerning redefinition of States and Transitions in the spec, but was not able to find them. In 2.4.1 both section had a subsubsection stating .State redefinitions., respectively .Transition redefinition.. Where are these paragraphs gone in 2.5? Regards, Marc-Florian From: "Wendland, Marc-Florian" To: "selic@acm.org" CC: "uml25-ftf@omg.org" Subject: AW: Re: Transition redefinition Thread-Topic: Re: Transition redefinition Thread-Index: AQHOEEsaZuGOVVveWUuSJ7RK79pURQ== Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:49:59 +0000 Reply-To: "Wendland, Marc-Florian" Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-kse-antivirus-interceptor-info: scan successful x-kse-antivirus-info: Clean X-cloud-security-sender: marc-florian.wendland@fokus.fraunhofer.de X-cloud-security-recipient: uml25-ftf@omg.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mx-gate11-haj2 with DC4A979400C X-cloud-security: scantime:7.709 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at omg.org X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAR0Z04M= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Bran, Thanks. I will raise an issue. Regards, Marc-Florian -------- Ursprühe Nachricht -------- Von: Bran Selic Datum: An: "Wendland, Marc-Florian" Cc: uml25-ftf@omg.org Betreff: Re: Transition redefinition Your assumed interpretation is the correct one, Marc-Florian (i.e., you can add new ones). I guess this calls for some clarification. Will you raise an issue? Thanks...Bran On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Wendland, Marc-Florian wrote: Hi all, A question: For transitions, the spec says: .. while the source State and trigger are preserved. Maybe related to not being a native speaker, but for me .preserved. means that at least the triggers defined for the extended transition must remain in the redefining transition, whereas new triggers can be added. Or does .preserve. mean in this context really to seal the triggers, i.e., I cannot add a new one?! Regards, Marc-Florian Von: Steve Cook [mailto:Steve.Cook@microsoft.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2013 13:00 An: Wendland, Marc-Florian; uml25-ftf@omg.org Betreff: RE: State and Transition redefinition statements? How about section 14.3? From: Wendland, Marc-Florian [mailto:marc-florian.wendland@fokus.fraunhofer.de] Sent: 21 February 2013 11:48 To: uml25-ftf@omg.org Subject: State and Transition redefinition statements? Hi all, I was searching the statements concerning redefinition of States and Transitions in the spec, but was not able to find them. In 2.4.1 both section had a subsubsection stating .State redefinitions., respectively .Transition redefinition.. Where are these paragraphs gone in 2.5? Regards, Marc-Florian From: "Wendland, Marc-Florian" To: "Juergen Boldt (juergen@omg.org)" CC: "uml25-ftf@omg.org" Subject: AW: Transition redefinition Thread-Topic: Transition redefinition Thread-Index: Ac4QLR2Q9omsRLOOTDySCz/0cPdKUgAFSH0AAGaRDcA= Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:47:09 +0000 Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.147.67.20] x-kse-antivirus-interceptor-info: scan successful x-kse-antivirus-info: Clean X-cloud-security-sender: marc-florian.wendland@fokus.fraunhofer.de X-cloud-security-recipient: juergen@omg.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mx-gate04-haj2 with E3092794001 X-cloud-security: scantime:.3119 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at omg.org Juergen, Would you please raise this as an issue. Proposed solution: .. while the source State and trigger are preserved. To .. while the source State and trigger are preserved. This means that all trigger of the redefined transition must remain in the redefining transition, whereas new trigger can be added to the redefining transition.. Marc-Florian Von: bran.selic@gmail.com [mailto:bran.selic@gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Bran Selic Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2013 16:47 An: Wendland, Marc-Florian Cc: uml25-ftf@omg.org Betreff: Re: Transition redefinition Your assumed interpretation is the correct one, Marc-Florian (i.e., you can add new ones). I guess this calls for some clarification. Will you raise an issue? Thanks...Bran On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Wendland, Marc-Florian wrote: Hi all, A question: For transitions, the spec says: .. while the source State and trigger are preserved. Maybe related to not being a native speaker, but for me .preserved. means that at least the triggers defined for the extended transition must remain in the redefining transition, whereas new triggers can be added. Or does .preserve. mean in this context really to seal the triggers, i.e., I cannot add a new one?! Regards, Marc-Florian Von: Steve Cook [mailto:Steve.Cook@microsoft.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2013 13:00 An: Wendland, Marc-Florian; uml25-ftf@omg.org Betreff: RE: State and Transition redefinition statements? How about section 14.3? From: Wendland, Marc-Florian [mailto:marc-florian.wendland@fokus.fraunhofer.de] Sent: 21 February 2013 11:48 To: uml25-ftf@omg.org Subject: State and Transition redefinition statements? Hi all, I was searching the statements concerning redefinition of States and Transitions in the spec, but was not able to find them. In 2.4.1 both section had a subsubsection stating .State redefinitions., respectively .Transition redefinition.. Where are these paragraphs gone in 2.5? Regards, Marc-Florian